Comments on: Book Review: Why Work Sucks and How to Fix It http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:13:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ateeq ahmad http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-4645 ateeq ahmad Mon, 03 May 2010 06:44:15 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-4645 Dear No, I think you are mistaking the central point. Time is not a problem but we should not use it as a cudgel to brutalize adults in the workplace. I work in results-oriented market research and I have goals too. 1. I write proposals for research 2. Estimate the time( yes we do measure it for rough goals not using it as a cudgel to beat the team up) 3. Work on them for the appropriate. Sometimes I am very successful but most times my ideas are duds. CRUCIAL POINT: The duds are very important to my boss too! I am very happy in my workplace because I am encouraged to experiment all the time. True, my half-cocked ideas get laughed at sometimes but that is not personal. This ROWE also means you leave egos at the door. Regards ateeq Dear No,
I think you are mistaking the central point. Time is not a problem but we should not use it as a cudgel to brutalize adults in the workplace.

I work in results-oriented market research and I have goals too.
1. I write proposals for research
2. Estimate the time( yes we do measure it for rough goals not using it as a cudgel to beat the team up)
3. Work on them for the appropriate. Sometimes I am very successful but most times my ideas are duds.

CRUCIAL POINT: The duds are very important to my boss too! I am very happy in my workplace because I am encouraged to experiment all the time. True, my half-cocked ideas get laughed at sometimes but that is not personal. This ROWE also means you leave egos at the door.

Regards
ateeq

]]> By: stormy http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-791 stormy Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:38:59 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-791 I always think you get what you measure. Results should not just equal done. Results should also have quality components in it. I always think you get what you measure. Results should not just equal done. Results should also have quality components in it.

]]> By: no http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-790 no Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:34:15 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-790 For example: introducing workarounds instead of contributing fixes to the libraries your using (but there are tons of other examples). For example: introducing workarounds instead of contributing fixes to the libraries your using (but there are tons of other examples).

]]> By: no http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-789 no Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:23:40 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-789 I still think the results-driven-development is not a panacea, because it often drives developers to seek less-quality solutions that at least work. So it's kind of contradictory to what open source usually means. I still think the results-driven-development is not a panacea, because it often drives developers to seek less-quality solutions that at least work. So it’s kind of contradictory to what open source usually means.

]]> By: stormy http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-788 stormy Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:24:33 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-788 Absolutely. I think the open source world embodies what Jodi and Cali are advocating for. Although I do think there are people who might not ever like the open source model, I think it's very empowering and freeing for most people. Absolutely. I think the open source world embodies what Jodi and Cali are advocating for.
Although I do think there are people who might not ever like the open source model, I think it’s very empowering and freeing for most people.

]]> By: Thomas Thym http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-787 Thomas Thym Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:29:27 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-787 I think (or hope) this concept is not about another method of payment but about another way of thinking about work and management. It's about output instead of input orientation, results instead of great shows. It offers a chance to leave not well reflected old management reflexes (processes) (like long time consuming meeting showing (no, not showing, just talking about) others how brilliant I am) behind and offer the employees a great amount of freedom. And we all know: Freedom is fun. ;-) Like the open source community model this is not the best concept for everybody (I'm sure some won't like it at all.) but for some it will be a way to find passion at work. Isn't that worth a try? I think (or hope) this concept is not about another method of payment but about another way of thinking about work and management. It’s about output instead of input orientation, results instead of great shows. It offers a chance to leave not well reflected old management reflexes (processes) (like long time consuming meeting showing (no, not showing, just talking about) others how brilliant I am) behind and offer the employees a great amount of freedom. And we all know: Freedom is fun. ;-)
Like the open source community model this is not the best concept for everybody (I’m sure some won’t like it at all.) but for some it will be a way to find passion at work. Isn’t that worth a try?

]]> By: stormy http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-786 stormy Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:14:50 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-786 The idea is that you get paid for results. If you get things done faster you either have more time for yourself or more time to do more work and make more money. Nobody cares if it took you an hour to write a report or ten hours. They care that it's done and how good it is. The idea is that you get paid for results. If you get things done faster you either have more time for yourself or more time to do more work and make more money.
Nobody cares if it took you an hour to write a report or ten hours. They care that it’s done and how good it is.

]]> By: Anonymous http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-785 Anonymous Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:02:39 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-785 Even results-oriented work has to incorporate some concept of time: an employee who can produce a given result in less time has done a better job than one who can produce the same result in more time. Even results-oriented work has to incorporate some concept of time: an employee who can produce a given result in less time has done a better job than one who can produce the same result in more time.

]]> By: stormy http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-784 stormy Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:49:48 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-784 Then I think we need to work harder at defining what the job is and what results would be. I'm not talking about paying just bonuses. I'm talking about paying for work done, not time in the office. Then I think we need to work harder at defining what the job is and what results would be. I’m not talking about paying just bonuses. I’m talking about paying for work done, not time in the office.

]]> By: fct http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html/comment-page-1#comment-783 fct Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:06:16 +0000 http://stormyscorner.com/2009/03/book-review-why-work-sucks-and-how-to-fix-it.html#comment-783 In our company we work (informally) on a totally results-oriented approach. The deadlines would always get skipped cause the intended results weren't correctly specified and the customer would constantly move target. We are researching a formalisation of the process by adhering to agile development. Also, we have a base salary with a fixed amount and bonuses depending on achievements, individual ones (measured subjectively by a couple of managers) and company-wide ones (completion of projects and customer satisfaction polls during the last year). So I disagree about normal software development. In my opinion measuring productivity by time (deadlines) will go the way of the dodo, same as it's happening with LOC estimations. In our company we work (informally) on a totally results-oriented approach. The deadlines would always get skipped cause the intended results weren’t correctly specified and the customer would constantly move target. We are researching a formalisation of the process by adhering to agile development.
Also, we have a base salary with a fixed amount and bonuses depending on achievements, individual ones (measured subjectively by a couple of managers) and company-wide ones (completion of projects and customer satisfaction polls during the last year).
So I disagree about normal software development. In my opinion measuring productivity by time (deadlines) will go the way of the dodo, same as it’s happening with LOC estimations.

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